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Rev. Dr. Djiniyini Gondarra OAM and Richard Trudgen discuss customary law, democracy and dictatorship and how these apply to both Balanda and Yolngu systems of law.

Maratja Dhamarrandji tells Richard Trudgen it's the Balanda mainstream influence that is affecting Yolŋu understanding of law and order.

Rev. Dr. Djiniyini Gondarra OAM and Richard Trudgen discuss the importance of the Makarrata mediation process ending in a reconciliation ceremony in Yolŋu law and its similarities to the Balanda (mainstream) systems of law, where defendants go into police custody and face a trial if they have committed a crime.